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PostRomania in Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (Tor Guimaraes, USA, 11/24/21 4:36 am)
Cameron Sawyer commented on my last post: "Stalin's ceding the Romanian oilfields to Hitler in 1942 would be no cession at all--these were never in the Soviet sphere of influence. Romania was an ally of Nazi Germany."
Cameron misunderstood my statement. I meant that Stalin would expect to get the Romanian oilfields. Perhaps Cameron is not aware that Germany in a secret protocol of the 1939's Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact had already granted the Soviet claims on Romanian territory. Further, everyone knows that Hitler needed those oil fields to fight successfully in the Russian front, thus Stalin would be crazy to give them up under any circumstances. But I agree that a deal from either direction would be DOA.
John Eipper commented on my last post: "A cleverer and less frightening Hitler (a 'non-Hitler'?) may indeed have united the West against the Soviets, but what about the logistics of invading the USSR without occupying Poland first? Move through Finland and the Baltics?"
The Barbarossa invasion plans could be the same except going through Poland now would be with their permission as an ally. A few more points should increase the viability of my imaginary scenario:
1. Invading Russia in a few years' time frame would be a challenging undertaking under any circumstances, so this is expected. Invading through Poland was more a geographic necessity than any logistic benefit. In fact, invading Poland started WWII. In this imaginary scenario, Poland is likely to be a strong ally of Germany, just like some other Eastern European nations.
2. Russia was invaded from Finland and the "Baltics" in WWII, but with Western Europe supporting the German invasion it should much stronger and probably more successful. The actual Barbarossa logistical planning turned into a disaster when the Winter arrived. That is one reason why I said earlier if "Hitler would be a little more educated." He assumed it was going to be easy.
3. When the Nazis invaded the USSR, despite all the warnings, Stalin was caught flat-footed, his armies easily destroyed, Moscow under serious threat. Under such circumstances, and with the Germans being supported by most European nations, I believe it might have been impossible for the Russians to recover, particularly with no aid from the US or Britain in this case.
JE comments: I'd like to know more about Romania in Molotov-Ribbentrop. How much of Romania was included in the Soviet "claims"? Hitler certainly wouldn't have yielded the Ploesti oil fields, which are far from the Soviet border in any case.
Here's my favorite WWII alternate scenario: Hitler doesn't invade Poland, and presto! No WWII. Peace in our time...