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PostUyghurs Again; Comparing China and US Policies against Covid, Terrorism (Tor Guimaraes, USA, 04/13/21 4:21 am)
JE commented on my last post: "I remain confused why Tor Guimaraes insists on the qualifying, even annulling adjectival 'so-called genocide' when referring to the Uyghurs. Reports of their mistreatment have been circulating for years."
Like I stated before, I don't blame John for being confused, but no genocide has happened. I was also confused for a few years, but now the picture is more clear after massive search for evidence. I always believe that where there is smoke there is some fire; but the only questions are what started the fire, how threatening is it, and who are the real firefighters?
I think circumstances started this Uyghur fire (Islamic fundamentalism started it, Chinese government reacted very strongly as usual, just as with Covid). The US government also as usual, just like starting Al Qaeda and ISIS fires in the Middle East, tried to manipulate the Uyghur situation to suppress Chinese power.
Some ugly moves by the Chinese are certainly likely to have occurred, a lot of misinformation has now been provided by both sides via the media, but just like when we started the second Iraq war (remember the WMD lies about Saddam Hussein?). Yet the truth is slowly coming out. Don't trust anyone, definitely not the AP, Reuters, etc. Check out other sources to get a broader picture of the special interests involved, before casting your own mind in stone.
Bottom line: To me the Chinese government has done things to fight Covid 19 and Islamic Fundamentalist which are unacceptable to the American way. Obama started a war on China which is continuing unabated. The American government has handled Covid 19 and Islamism much worse in terms of hurting people, Americans and others alike. Should both sides pretend one has the moral high ground? I don't think so because we have too many very deadly common enemies to fight: Covid 19, terrorism of any kind, ignorance, poverty, racism, etc. I say, stop the bickering, get your priorities straight, and get to work.
There are a few people who seem to know what they are talking about regarding geopolitics and seem to have been truthful in the past. Kishore Mahbubani is just one of them. Two of my favorites are Yukon Huang and Max Blumenthal. Several others are still being tested but are looking good so far in terms of how clear, observable, and strong their provided evidence really is. In combination, you go against these guys and you will be on the wrong side of history. It is that simple.
Kishore Mahbubani's background is quite impressive (available on Wikipedia) but most important is his wisdom and balance. He has had a career in public service, academia, several best-selling publications, and numerous board memberships throughout the world.
Yukon Huang is a senior fellow with the Asia Program, a former World Bank's country director for China, after being director for Russia and the Former Soviet Union Republics. He is an adviser to the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, and various governments and corporations. His research focuses on China's economy and its regional and global impact. He is widely published on economic development issues, a featured commentator for the Financial Times on China, the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, Foreign Affairs, the National Interest, and Caixin. Among his many books is his latest Cracking the China Conundrum: Why Conventional Economic Wisdom Is Wrong, Oxford University Press (2017). His PhD is in economics from Princeton University, with a BA from Yale University.
For those who like investigative reporters with incredible courage, consider Max Blumenthal (see background in Wikipedia). The man is so outrageously brave digging up dirty deeply hidden that it surprises me he is still alive. We are talking about nasty, against-the-establishment evidence, so at first I thought he was an agent for the other side, whichever that might be. I found out he is clearly a leftist, but his evidence has been powerful, clear, and hard to contradict. I have not been able to contradict any of it so far on several thorny topics. So I have been forced to take what he says until proven otherwise.
JE comments: Yesterday I had the pleasure of catching up on the phone with WAISer Paul Pitlick, and among several topics, we discussed China's Covid policy. Dr P contrasted China's draconian yet effective response with the tentative, uneven measures taken in the US. Democracy is messy, but in extreme cases, it can be deadly. Still, I'll take it (democracy) over the cruel efficiency of the Chinese way.
Tor, most of us never find the time to read our Mahbubani, Huang, et al. Can you give us a few of their examples of what we should be doing, but aren't...or what we are doing, but shouldn't?