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PostBrzezinski-Bin Laden Photo is a Hoax (Cameron Sawyer, Russia, 09/03/21 2:43 am)
Eugenio Battaglia wrote: "If I am not wrong there is a photo of Brzezinski talking with his friend Osama Bin Laden."
I'm afraid Eugenio is wrong. This alleged photo is a well-known hoax. See:
This should not be interpreted to take away from the valid point that in our operation to arm Islamic fundamentalists against the Soviets in Afghanistan, we did a lot to create the conditions for 9/11 and for the ensuing spectacular geopolitical fiasco of the US in the Middle East, which makes the Soviet misadventure look like nothing. But we should play straight with the facts.
JE asked: "We've dissected the Afghanistan debacle in countless ways, but never with the long view of 'what if the US had not unleashed the Mujahideen against the Afghan Democratic Republic?' This hypothetical goes deep. Would the USSR have collapsed without its Afghanistan fiasco? Would the Cold War still be going on...now?"
In my view, the Soviets would have certainly lost Afghanistan with or without our support of the Mujahideen. After all, the US lost Afghanistan without any great power helping the Taliban. As to the collapse, or rather dissolution of the Soviet Union--don't confuse this with the collapse of the Soviet system. The dissolution of the Soviet Union was by no means inevitable. It was an accident caused by Boris Yeltsin and his allies in Russia conspiring with leaders in other Soviet republics to get rid of the Union government above them, then headed by a shakily restored Mikhail Gorbachev. The Soviet system could have been reformed without dissolving the Union, and arguably would have had greater chances of success. As Russia continues down its path of divergence from democratic values, the dissolution of the Soviet Union seems to me like a worse and worse idea, as paradoxical as that may sound. Do we think that a reformed Soviet Union with Gorbachev at the head, would have had worse prospects for successful democratic reforms, than Yeltsin presiding over chaos and kleptocracy in independent Russia, Kravchuk presiding over chaos and extreme kleptocracy in independent Ukraine, Ghamskurdia presiding over chaos, extreme kleptocracy and multiple bloodbaths in Georgia, etc.? As time goes by, I think so less and less.
At least thank God it seems the US had basically nothing to do with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, for once.
JE comments: I cribbed the photo from the link above. Look below and decide: at least we can be sure the guy on the left is Brzezinski.
Cameron, a question: what do we know about Yeltsin's conspiracy with the leaders of the other republics to remove their Soviet overlords? For example, did Yeltsin support the departure of the Baltics? These are rather rudimentary history questions, but the events were (gulp) thirty years ago.
We don`t know the identity of the person on the right...