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Created by John Eipper on 01/11/21 4:22 AM

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Regarding Trump, Has WAIS Become a Kangaroo Court? (Eugenio Battaglia, Italy, 01/11/21 4:22 am)

WAIS colleagues well know that I was a supporter of Bernie Sanders, far away from Trump.  Therefore I cannot be accused of being a Trump supporter. But now the WAIS Forum has become a kangaroo court against Trump and his supporters. Mao's Red Guards would be in admiration! No one found some excuse; even the Republicans of WAIS have chickened out, but the troubles of the Empire do not come only from Trump.  If the Empire does not change its approach to its internal and foreign problems, it is doomed.

For sure the Empire will not solve its problem with Biden, Sleepy Joe the instrument of the Deep State. A complete change is necessary with new leaders.

Finally, it is not a good show to attack mercilessly the defeated.

JE comments:  Are we kicking a man when he's down?  That does show a lack of class.  But how "defeated" is Trump, really?  Monopolizing the public discourse (in WAIS and everywhere else) is a victory in and of itself.

Please discuss:  should WAIS strive for more balance on the recent events in Washington?  Is "balance" even possible?

And now, dear friends, I'm off to class.  After a six-week break, today kicks off the new semester at the College.  We'll be masked up and mostly face-to-face, with some students tuning in remotely.


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  • Is WAIS Kicking Trump While He's Down? (José Ignacio Soler, Venezuela 01/12/21 3:57 AM)
    Eugenio Battaglia (January 11th) accused the WAIS Forum of being a kangaroo court against Trump: "it is not a good show to attack mercilessly the defeated."

    There is a saying in Spanish that illustrates what Eugenio seems to mean: "Hacer leña del arbol caído" ("to make firewood from the fallen tree"). But it seems to me that he is exaggerating or misinterpreting what has been said about Trump after the assault on the Capitol. Being a severe critic of him is not "making firewood."


    From what I recall, Trump has always been criticized as an unfortunate accident in US politics. He has always been accused (here on the Forum and elsewhere) of being a demagogue, narcissist, sociopath, opportunist and unscrupulous politician. However, the matter has been aggravated by the events of January 6th, because undoubtedly Trump was its instigator and promoter, and it would be unforgivable not to condemn his actions.


    Eugenio is right about one thing: Trump is not the only problem the United States has, and probably he will unfortunately continue to be a protagonist unless he is punished through prosecution. He will continue to be a dangerous populist messiah for large sectors of society, and I would add that he is not and never will be a Fascist, though he is very close to the worst version of totalitarian fascist goals. Finally, I disagree with Eugenio's romantic socialist aspirations, because I believe Sanders would not have been the solution. On the contrary, he would have aggravated all the nation's problems.


    Let's give Biden and the Democrats a chance and see what are they capable of achieving amidst these unfortunate inherited circumstances, particularly because of the damage done by Trump to the Democratic institutions of the US.


    JE comments:  The urgency of condemning Trump is not so much for what he's done, but for what he still might do.  He used to be merely obnoxious; now he's become a genuine threat to the 245-year-old fabric of American democracy.


    Surprise--my inbox is overflowing with comments on the events of last week.  He may have been booted off social media, but Trump is still very much dominating the news cycle.


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  • Against Trump, We *Must* Draw a Hard Line (Cameron Sawyer, Russia 01/12/21 4:30 AM)
    In response to Eugenio Battaglia (January 11th), I think that what Trump has done with regard to the election results, and especially with stirring up a deadly mob attack on the Capitol, is so harmful and so dangerous that it is absolutely worth "mercilessly attacking"; whether Trump is defeated or not is beside the point. We need to draw a clear line against such behavior, and doing so does not constitute "chickening out." Comparisons with Mao's Red Guards are ridiculous.

    And none of this in any way contradicts objecting to Biden as a warmonger, which I do, and a representative of the "Deep State," which I do actually think is a thing. Eugenio's call for a "complete change with new leaders" is a great idea--I'm all in favor of it--but it must not be achieved through mob violence and attacks on democratic processes. We must draw a hard line against this approach, including the strongest possible condemnation of the main instigator of it, our soon to be ex-president.


    JE comments:  Ironically, the goal of a "complete change with new leaders" is what got us Trump in the first place.  Biden's election reflects conservatism in the literal sense:  a return to the status quo ante of the pre-Trump era.  At least since November I've been mulling over a hypothesis:  with Trump, and except for the superficial trappings of social and religious "conservatism," the concepts of "conservative" vs "radical" have been completely reversed.  The putsch of January 6th was many things, but "conservative" is not one of them.


    Cameron, when time allows, could you share the general contours of how you understand the Deep State?  Is it global capitalism and the multinational corporations, bolstered by the Coastal Elites (let's say, Davos et al.)?  The fabled Military-Industrial Complex?  Or is it something less obvious?


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