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Post Why Would Iran Meddle in the US Elections?
Created by John Eipper on 10/27/20 4:19 AM

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Why Would Iran Meddle in the US Elections? (Eugenio Battaglia, Italy, 10/27/20 4:19 am)

How can the Iranian regime be so foolish as to push for the victory of someone who is imposing sanctions? By the way, Biden wants Iran to pay for its alleged meddling in the electoral system, so I do not see any difference. What do the Iranian people expect? The victorious Marines marching into Tehran? This is very difficult to believe for people with 5000 years of civilization. If you want a government change, do it by yourself.  Do not wait for the bayonets of other nations.

However, during election time, people all over the world are getting "locos."

I am not shedding any tears about the stories of foreign involvement in the US elections. For at least 75 years, the Empire has been meddling in the elections of other nations, so why not have a taste of the same medicine--even if such a tale, probably, is mostly coming from the sick mind of someone inside the country looking for a reason to justify his defeat at the polls?

JE comments:  Eugenio, few would disagree with your "locos" appraisal, except that insane people can be brilliant and even charming. 

I'm confused about the alleged Iranian meddling.  We know that Russia's Putin is a Trump Man, but is the IRI intervening for Trump or Biden?  Repressive regimes often need a bogeyman for domestic consumption; they can blame a nation's problems on that outside nemesis.


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  • Why Would People in Nations Affected by Sanctions Support Trump? (José Ignacio Soler, Venezuela 10/27/20 7:07 AM)
    It is interesting how the issue of the US elections has led to the discussion of correlated issues, namely the influence of Trump on public opinion in Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela.  As a witness and a partial participant in these events, I believe I can provide some insight.

    Eugenio Battaglia ("il Contrario") asks, in his most recent post, "How can the Iranian regime be so foolish as to push for the victory of someone who is imposing sanctions?"  Eugenio was referring to Trump of course. It is obvious that the Iranian regime will never promote any intervention by the United States, much less the Cuban or the Venezuelan regimes. The question is relevant, but it refers to the general population, or at least to the majority that suffers the consequences of repression, corruption, hunger, lack of basic services, and the violation of basic human rights.


    I do not know the case of Iran first-hand, but I am familiar with the other two countries. That is why I dare to think that Eugenio has never lived in a society subjected to regimes of that kind. If he had, he would realize that it's a question of survival.  Fear, hunger, hopelessness and despair could motivate a population to wish their country to be invaded by a foreign power to free them from what they themselves cannot do because of their powerlessness or lack of resources. Because that is what happens in reality, not because they are "locos" or have lost their courage, but because achieving change is, at least for now, out of their reach.


    To be clear, I do not believe that Mr Trump is ever going to militarily intervene in those countries.  That would be unthinkable, and I doubt that the current sanctions would exert enough pressure for a radical change, though for most people there is a genuine but naïve hope. To explain why Trump is preferred in simple terms among the populations in those countries, it is because Mr Biden is a Democrat, and the Democrats' ideologies and foreign policies have been frequently perceived as closer to the left, and it is taken for granted that Biden would be more tolerant with such regimes. For me this remains to be seen, but most oppositionist people believes so.


    JE comments:  Eugenio Battaglia did not experience sanctions per se, but he knows something far worse:  war.  I have long tried to imagine how I would feel if my nation were subjected to sanctions by the world's hegemon:  would my anger be directed against the sanctioner, or towards my own government for its misbehavior?  Both at once?  More importantly, would I prefer an end to the sanctions at any price, or would I support their continuation in the hope that my government would collapse?


    Like so many other extreme situations, you cannot imagine what it's like until you're in it.


    I assume North Koreans are also pro-Trump?  Is there even such a thing as North Korean "public opinion"?


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    • While the US Piddles Around, China Quietly Builds its Empire (Tor Guimaraes, USA 10/29/20 7:06 AM)
      José Ignacio Soler stated, "To explain why Trump is preferred in simple terms among the populations in [Venezuela and Cuba], it is because Mr. Biden is a Democrat, and the Democrats' ideologies and foreign policies have been frequently perceived as closer to the left, and it is taken for granted that Biden would be more tolerant with such regimes."

      I share Nacho's skepticism. We must not forget the long list of attacks unleashed by Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama, including assassinating innocent civilians and US citizens by drones. Thus, I conclude that the so-called oppositionist people are ignorant and misinformed.


      What I worry about is the geostrategic game.  While we are piddling around trying to bully other nations militarily or with sanctions to our way of thinking, China is making business partners all over the world. If these trends continue for another few years, we will go broke (oops, we already are) and the Chinese commies will eat the business lunch of the greatest capitalist nation on Earth.


      John Eipper asked, " I have long tried to imagine how I would feel if my nation were subjected to sanctions by the world's hegemon: would my anger be directed against the sanctioner, or towards my own government for its misbehavior? Both at once? More importantly, would I prefer an end to the sanctions at any price, or would I support their continuation in the hope that my government would collapse?"


      Thank God no other nation can put sanctions on the USA, but our own people have been victimized by our many corrupt and incompetent government administrations. Should someone somehow tell us how to treat our own people better? Just imagine if some more powerful nation would try; particularly now that we have the highest Covid-19 death rate in the world. I would fight the aggressor first, then go after my bad government.


      JE comments:  This year 2020 has been an aberration in countless ways, but here's a longer-term question.  Will China inevitably replace the US as the global hegemon?  If so, what will this look like in real terms?  For one thing, it would (will?) bring about a philosophical crisis.  If Western liberal democracy is proven not to be the best way to achieve hegemony, what does that mean?


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    • Gary Moore on Welcoming Foreign Intervention (John Eipper, USA 11/01/20 7:52 AM)
      Gary Moore writes:

      In support of José Ignacio Soler (October 27) rebutting Eugenio Battaglia's surprise at desperate populations wanting foreign powers to come and intervene, one wonders if Eugenio has forgotten the petitionings on his own doorstep, by both Dante and Petrarch.


      JE comments:  Interesting point.  I would respond to Gary Moore that in the times of Dante and Petrarch, there was no nation-state known as Italy, but just competing regions, factions and "houses."  Was it that different for a rival neighbor to invade you, or a true foreigner with a different language?


      This post arrived in my inbox with a Michelangelo quote:  "A thousand years from now, who will care what they look like?"  I confess it zipped over my head.  They are...?  Gary, some context?


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