Login/Sign up

World Association of International Studies

Post Officers' Clubs: A Waning Institution
Created by John Eipper on 10/26/18 3:13 AM

Previous posts in this discussion:


Officers' Clubs: A Waning Institution (Michael Sullivan, USA, 10/26/18 3:13 am)

To amplify what Tim Brown said about Officers' Clubs (October 25th), today there are only a few remaining, and what is now in place is an "all-ranks club" for everyone.  So instead of three clubs on base in the past--Officers, Staff Non-Commissioned Officers, and Enlisted--there is now one club that they all share.  And it's sparsely attended!

However, Officers' Clubs were not truly segregated, as anyone who could qualify and became an officer was able to attend. It had nothing to do with race, religion or gender. There are many who came into the military services as privates, sailors and airmen yet retired as officers, with some going all the way up through the ranks to General and Admiral.

JE comments:  There seems to be a decline in social clubs across all sectors of society.  Robert D. Putnam explored this phenomenon in his 2000 Bowling Alone:  The Collapse and Revival of American Community.  What are the reasons for this?  Are we too busy making a living?  Afraid to be seen as aloof and exclusive?  Or have on-line communities (see WAIS and thousands of others) replaced their brick-and-mortar predecessors?

Rumor has it that the local country/golf club in Adrian is about to close due to lack of membership.

Are social clubs also a dying breed in other countries?

Rate this post
Informational value 
Reader Ratings (0)
Informational value0%

Visits: 114


Please login/register to reply or comment: Login/Sign up

  • The Decline of the Golfing Club (John Heelan, -UK 10/26/18 12:35 PM)
    In response to Michael Sullivan (26 October), it is noticeable that even golf club memberships are starting to decline in the UK. Mostly the root reason is that they are costly to maintain, resulting in annual membership subscriptions are increasing dramatically year-on-year.

    My local golf club of which I was a member for more that 10 years would now cost me £1250 to join. No thanks!

    JE comments: Another thought I had this morning on the decline of "clubs": today's children are increasingly regimented in sports, dance/music/karate lessons, tutoring, and structured play dates. The days of the free-range kid are over. Might the grown-ups have sacrificed their own activities in favor of keeping their offspring busy and..."safe"?

    Please login/register to reply or comment:

  • In London, Private Clubs are Thriving (Timothy Ashby, -Spain 10/27/18 4:26 AM)
    John E asked on October 26th: "Are social clubs also a dying breed in other countries?"

    While I can't comment on golf and country club membership levels, I can state that private members clubs in London are thriving. There is a dividing line between the newer (I've heard them called parvenu clubs) and traditional clubs which date back to the 18th and 19th centuries. The latter include The Athenaeum (where Rosemary's father Professor RV Jones was a member), White's, Brooks's, East India, National Liberal, and of course the Carlton Club where I am a member.

    Many members of the old clubs wouldn't cross the thresholds of the newer clubs, although some such as 5 Hertford Street (where Rosemary is a member) are splendid and I've encountered some fellow members of the Carlton Club there, who rather ashamedly confided that they joined "for the food and the cellar." I've been to several of these new clubs such as the Groucho, Arts, Soho House and The Ned (which is like a big noisy nightclub catering to City millennials and which I couldn't wait to escape from). More of these new clubs seem to be springing up monthly. Membership fees are expensive--much more so than the traditional clubs.

    The Carlton Club was founded in 1832 and is the oldest and most elite Conservative club in London. Until 2008 women were only allowed to be "lady associate members" unable to use the gentleman's bar or vote for club officials (although Margaret Thatcher was the sole woman to be given full membership before that date).

    Times have certainly changed. Half of all new members under age 30 are now women (the youngest is 19). My daughter, Georgina (age 24), has just completed her membership application process, which requires a Proposer (her godmother, Lady Griffiths) and a Seconder (yours truly), after which she is given a page in a large ledger book kept in "Cad's Corner" (a cozy nook with a fireplace where ancient peers nap). She must then get 10 signatures from other club members on her page (which I recently procured after dutifully hanging out at the Macmillan Bar and plying members with drinks). Her final induction step will be an "interview" by Membership Committee members, which is all quite civilised and involves sipping sherry in the boardroom and chatting about career, family and (of course) politics.

    Annual fees for under 30 members such as Georgina are just £450 with no joining fee. This is excellent value, as the Club has two very good restaurants and a fine cellar. A two course lunch in the (quite formal--think silverware, crested china, white tablecloths and a sommelier) Churchill Room costs £15, which is remarkable given how expensive nearby restaurants in St. James's are. Also, Members and their families can stay at the Club for a third to half the price of nearby hotels. I routinely use the Club for business meetings (it has a business center with computers, printers etc., called "the Study').

    John--you have a standing invitation to be my guest for lunch at the Carlton Club!

    JE comments:  Ah, the perks of WAIShood!  Many thanks, Tim.  I owe London a visit--can my most recent one be as long ago as 2011, with the WAIS conference in Torquay?

    Might London's "old clubs" be thriving because they offer (of all things) value?  The only club that does this in the US belongs to Mr Walton--Sam's Club.  Costco is a club, too, along the lines of the exclusive-yet-egalitarian model.  Anyone can join for a fee.  But as John Heelan said, "no thanks."  I am philosophically against paying for the God-given right to shop.

    Please login/register to reply or comment:

Trending Now

All Forums with Published Content (44625 posts)

- Unassigned

Culture & Language

American Indians Art Awards Bestiary of Insults Books Conspiracy Theories Culture Ethics Film Food Futurology Gender Issues Humor Intellectuals Jews Language Literature Media Coverage Movies Music Newspapers Numismatics Philosophy Plagiarism Prisons Racial Issues Sports Tattoos Western Civilization World Communications


Capitalism Economics International Finance World Bank World Economy


Education Hoover Institution Journal Publications Libraries Universities World Bibliography Series


Biographies Conspiracies Crime Decline of West German Holocaust Historical Figures History Holocausts Individuals Japanese Holocaust Leaders Learning Biographies Learning History Russian Holocaust Turkish Holocaust


Afghanistan Africa Albania Algeria Argentina Asia Australia Austria Bangladesh Belgium Belize Bolivia Brazil Canada Central America Chechnya Chile China Colombia Costa Rica Croatia Cuba Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark East Europe East Timor Ecuador Egypt El Salvador England Estonia Ethiopia Europe European Union Finland France French Guiana Germany Greece Guatemala Haiti Hungary Iceland India Indonesia Iran (Persia) Iraq Ireland Israel/Palestine Italy Japan Jordan Kenya Korea Kosovo Kuwait Kyrgyzstan Latin America Liberia Libya Mali Mexico Middle East Mongolia Morocco Namibia Nations Compared Netherlands New Zealand Nicaragua Niger Nigeria North America Norway Pacific Islands Pakistan Palestine Paraguay Peru Philippines Poland Polombia Portugal Romania Saudi Arabia Scandinavia Scotland Serbia Singapore Slovakia South Africa South America Southeast Asia Spain Sudan Sweden Switzerland Syria Thailand The Pacific Tunisia Turkey Turkmenistan UK (United Kingdom) Ukraine USA (America) USSR/Russia Uzbekistan Venezuela Vietnam West Europe Yemen Yugoslavia Zaire


Balkanization Communism Constitutions Democracy Dictators Diplomacy Floism Global Issues Hegemony Homeland Security Human Rights Immigration International Events Law Nationalism NATO Organizations Peace Politics Terrorism United Nations US Elections 2008 US Elections 2012 US Elections 2016 US Elections 2020 Violence War War Crimes Within the US


Christianity Hinduism Islam Judaism Liberation Theology Religion

Science & Technology

Alcohol Anthropology Automotives Biological Weapons Design and Architecture Drugs Energy Environment Internet Landmines Mathematics Medicine Natural Disasters Psychology Recycling Research Science and Humanities Sexuality Space Technology World Wide Web (Internet)


Geography Maps Tourism Transportation


1-TRIBUTES TO PROFESSOR HILTON 2001 Conference on Globalizations Academic WAR Forums Ask WAIS Experts Benefactors Chairman General News Member Information Member Nomination PAIS Research News Ronald Hilton Quotes Seasonal Messages Tributes to Prof. Hilton Varia Various Topics WAIS WAIS 2006 Conference WAIS Board Members WAIS History WAIS Interviews WAIS NEWS waisworld.org launch WAR Forums on Media & Research Who's Who