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PostReligion, Philosophy, and the Jesuits (John Heelan, UK, 01/12/18 5:06 am)
JE asked on 11 January: "How about the difference between Religion and Philosophy?"
Regrettably, philosophy was hijacked by religionists from Medieval times onwards, using their intellectual domination of the then universities to promulgate their beliefs and arguments. It was not until the Enlightenment (some 300 years later) that their religious-influenced philosophy was challenged.
Of the Oxbridge colleges, the first houses were monastic halls. Of the dozens established during the 12th-15th centuries, none survived the Reformation. Campion Hall (Oxford) still maintains its Jesuitical overtones, perhaps the best arguers in the business?
JE comments: What came first, Philosophy or Religion? More or less at the same time? Can't we see religion as an applied philosophy? We need to pose this question to the Buddhists, as well as to the Jesuits.
Religion, Philosophy, Chickens and Eggs
(Tor Guimaraes, USA
01/15/18 5:10 AM)
What came first, the chicken or the egg? Obviously the chicken came first because it had to contribute the first-chicken genetic material for the first egg. The environment changes the species over time to produce a hopefully more successful evolved species. Nevertheless, one can imagine that an egg of a prior species could be zapped by some rays and muted to produce the first chicken immediately after hatching. Possible but unlikely?
Which came first philosophy or religion? (See John Heelan, 12 January.) Once a cave person thought that fire was a god or from the gods, a modern professor would have called this process philosophizing, producing "the first philosophy."
John Eipper and I are both right; Madame Currie knew about radioactivity but not enough to save her life. That is a major reason why I wrote my book God for Atheists and Scientists: we must take science more seriously because sooner or later our lives and welfare will depend on it. No time for laziness and time-wasting.
JE comments: In our chicken-religion-egg-philosophy analogy, is religion the chicken or the egg? For his part, John Heelan places myth as the progenitor of both philosophy and religion.
Whew, this is heavy stuff. Let's turn our attention instead to hoaxes. Eugenio Battaglia (next) gets the ball rolling.