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PostThoughts on "No-Go" Zones, Crime, and Gangs (Tor Guimaraes, USA, 08/18/16 5:08 am)
My WAIS post of August 15th stated: "A very puzzling phenomenon to me is that most people seem to preoccupy themselves with analysis of calamitous events after the fact, without trying to learn about the sources of such events and taking action to reduce the risk of future reoccurrence." Then I presented a sad list of foreign disasters we as a nation have at least directly participated in--if not fueled from the start.
Now John Heelan and Gary Moore widen the collection of "puzzling phenomena" to include domestic issues such as "No-Go Zones" and gangs. Gary stated: "In the US, too, street gangs are often a cryptic blur in public information--and a main reason goes so deep that it, too, is largely hidden." For how long will the American people allow this cancer of having over a million people in gangs in our country? This should also be viewed as a major calamity. These gangs extort small business, commit all sorts of heinous crimes, and seem to be thriving.
John Heelan mentioned "No-Go" areas of London. In the early 1980s, as a junior professor in Information systems at Case Western U in the Cleveland area, there was one major artery going from South Euclid to the airport. After dark no police, ambulances, taxi would dare leave that artery into the neighborhoods. I wonder how things are today and hope the authorities claimed the territory back from the criminal world.
JE comments: That crime exists does not mean that it is "allowed"--or not? Let's discuss. I am reminded of Donald Trump's law-and-order address Tuesday night in Milwaukee. The Trump solution to crime is to make it stop. The Devil lurks in the details. Police everywhere? Convert Trump hotels into jails?
Can the Rudy Giuliani model be applied to an entire nation...or planet?
Is Crime "Allowed"? Street Crime in Brazil
(Tor Guimaraes, USA
08/19/16 9:30 AM)
John Eipper commented on my post of 18 August: "That crime exists does not mean that it is 'allowed'--or not? Let's discuss. I am reminded of Donald Trump's law-and-order address Tuesday night in Milwaukee. The Trump solution to crime is to make it stop. The Devil lurks in the details."
Obviously, some crimes are "allowed" more than others. Overall, one seems to be wrong to say that crime does not pay; otherwise why does it seem to thrive all over the world? Some crimes like extortion, DUI, vandalism, etc. seem much harder to combat, but we can do it if we try harder. For example, drunk driving seems to have been reduced considerably by education and painful punishment alone. Also, the Giuliani approach seemed to have worked. Other crimes (drugs, prostitution, etc.) just keep on going.
In one extreme case, crimes of mugging and home invasions seem more common in some countries like Brazil. Some of my wealthy friends in Brazil who live in fortress-like houses often joke about being time to have their home invaded again when their home appliances (particularly TVs) are getting old. In Brazil citizens are cajoled into disarming themselves, thus becoming easy prey for muggings and home invasions. One of my best friends' fortress-like house has been invaded 6 times in 30 years. Many families I know have lost at gunpoint cars, trucks, motorcycles, luggage coming and going to the airport, wallets, jewelry, etc. Thank God no one lost his or her life. Last, for some reason, the muggers seem quite sexist and prefer mugging other men.
Many times, since they are more protected by the law, the muggers are children as young as 10 years old and are fairly well trained and do not hesitate to shoot to kill someone resisting turning over the goods. If you are a tough hombre and take the gun away from the mugger and shoot him in self-defense, the authorities in many cases can make your life miserable, so next time you will be more careful considering your alternatives.
Contrary to John Eipper's opinion, my general impression is that many crimes are "allowed," and in some countries some crimes are even facilitated.
JE comments: A specific case of street "crime" in Brazil has hit international proportions: four members of the US Olympic swim team falsely claimed they were held up at gunpoint in Rio. Why, oh why, would they do that? It's Ugly Americanism at its ugliest.
A curiosity: Could Tor Guimaraes walk us through Brazil's gun laws?